The Stella Sessions - Part IX

The Stella Sessions

8 March 1990 (cont.)

J: I want you to tell me about the time when you met the girl during your lunch hour. The one who asked you about Strieber’s Communion. And you’ll remember everything that happened. Can you remember how she approached you?

S: As I was just walking through the doorway out of the lunch bar. She approached me from the sight side where the steps were. There were a few people around the foot of the steps before she came.

J: What street was this?

S: This was downstairs in City Arcade, just at the base of the steps from the Hay Street Mall down to the Murray Street level. And she just came up and she was there at my side. I don’t remember seeing her walking down the steps. Just that she took a step towards me and asked me what I thought of Strieber’s novel.

J: Did she call it a novel?

S: No. She said ‘What do you think of Whitley Strieber’s books?’ The bluntness sort of took my back a bit and I had to think for a few seconds. I just replied that I thought they were a lot better than some of the rubbish that’s written. And I don’t know. She never actually said ‘his books on the alien visitors’. She never referred to them directly but that was the strongest impression in that line. It wasn’t until much later that I thought, well he does write horror novels as well. But I never even thought of them. She just assumed that I seemed to know what she meant, as to which books she meant. She then said she wanted me to go with her. And I said ‘But where?’ and she said ‘You know where.’ And I said, ‘Well, I couldn’t possibly. I’ve just finished my lunch hour and I’ve to go back to work.’ Then I said could we meet for lunch perhaps, another day. That’s when she said ‘I can’t eat.’ That comment took me back again. I sort of thought how did she know? How did she know unless she is one? But I still didn’t really think she was.

J: Has she indicated she was an alien at any stage? Did she use the word ‘alien’?

S: Not at that stage.

J: No. Can you describe her?

S: She was about my height, slender, pale olive skin, dark brown, sort of wavy hair, just below the shoulders. Just and oval shaped face, I suppose. She didn’t have a short nose or a long nose. It’s just balanced features. Brown eyes, they weren’t small. They were average to large. I think she even had a few freckles over her nose and cheeks.

J: Let the image come. You’ll see her very clearly. Can you see her?

S: Sort of. It’s not very clear. I can see her hair more than anything else.

J: Can you describe it?

S: It was layered, it was wavy about shoulder length. Had a fringe and layered sides and quite thick and wavy, light brown or mid light brown.

J: What is she wearing?

S: She's wearing a sort of chequered shirt or blouse and jeans.

J: She looks thoroughly normal.

S: Yes.

J: Did she know your name?

S: No, she never said my name.

J: And what happens next? You’re there, you can see it very clearly.

S: She then said ‘Wouldn’t it seem odd if she didn’t eat?’ and I said ‘Oh no, not at all.’ And then she walked towards the step and she said: ‘Don’t follow me because the contacts will see.’ Someone will see. Something like she’s got people around the place and they would see someone following her.

J: Did she say ‘the contacts’?

S: Yes. She said ‘contacts’.

J: ‘Don’t follow me or the contacts will see’?

S: Yes. I’m sure she used the word contacts. And then she took a step up. And then she turned around and she said, ‘I’m not really one of them.’ And I said, ‘I didn’t think you were.’ No, even before she said that, she said ‘You’re one of us’. And that took me aback because I’ve only ever heard that once before in 1979 and that really made me think. Well, maybe she is one of them. And then I thought about what she had said. And then I said to her, ‘Well, I’m not really one of you but if seeing your craft and seeing your people,’ I said, ‘makes me one, then yes I am, I guess. It’s sort of like it becomes not an obsession in your like but it becomes a big part of your life.’

J: Right. You said this to her?

S: Yes.

J: As you were walking down the steps?

S: Yes. I was trying to sort of tell her that I didn’t physically feel I was actually one of them. And then she seemed to refer to something about my not going with her. She said it was a pity. She said ‘I’d hoped you would this year.’ I don’t know what the year had to do with it.

J: What year was this?

S: ’89. She wanted to see it happen in the year that she was there.

J: What month? Do you remember what month?

S: February or March. Either late February or early March.

J: And she said she wanted to see it happen?

S: Yes. She wanted to see it happen while she was there.

J: Did she seem friendly?

S: Yes. But not overly friendly. Almost neutral.

J: Yes. Yet she was concerned about you.

S: Well, she said after that she or they would give me a year and then they would have to take me.

J: Within a year?

S: After a year, by the year. She said I’d have no choice next time. They’d have to. But I don’t know whether she meant for good or just for a short amount of time and then...I’m getting this image of being in the Hay Street Mall with her but I don’t remember going up the steps with her.

J: Never mind. Just follow the image.

S: We’re standing in the Mall, we’ve walked over from the City Arcade entrance, sort of down and across to the other side. There’s people standing around and walking past us. It’s crowded because it’s early afternoon. And then she’s saying to jump and I have to jump with her, but I don’t remember jumping, though I must have done, I suppose. If that’s how they go up. They jump and then the vacuum, that’s there sucks them up but they jumping gives them the impetus to be sucked up. So I’m just seeing myself very clearly standing in the Mall with her and she’s telling me to jump.

J: Now I want you to remember only exactly what happened. I don’t want you to fantasize or to tell me a dream. You’ll have to keep strictly to what happened. So you’ve got to the Mall are you sure, absolutely sure this incident really happened?

S: I remember seeing how sunny it was. It was so clear and sunny and people were everywhere. It was very crowded. I noticed how crowded. And no one seemed to even notice us standing there. And she said they wouldn’t notice because when I said they wouldn’t see us just suddenly go up or disappear or whatever, she said, quite calmly, that no one would notice. And I just remember how sunny the Mall was at that time.

J: Did you jump?

S: I don’t know.

J: When I count to five, you’ll remember everything very clearly, as you’ve done before. You wont be able to fantasize or dream. You’ll tell me only what really actually and truly happened. And you’re back there in the Hay Street Mall, close on a year ago. [Counts to five]. Now you’ll remember very, very clearly.

S: She sort of leaps up and she disappears.

J: And you?

S: No. I try it and then I remember looking down and I’m twenty feet up from the Mall and that’s all. The next moment, it’s gone very dark and there’s a small darkened room and a voice is saying, ‘You wont remember much.’ He said, ‘Just remember you can do whatever you want to do.’ That’s what he was saying. ‘All you have to do is put your mind to it and you can do whatever you want.’

J: So you were in a darkened room?

S: Mmm. The room is very dark?

J: Are you sitting up, standing or lying?

S: I’m standing, I think.

J: Who’s talking to you?

S: It’s a man.

J: Can you see him?

S: Yes. I can dimly make him out. He’s Egyptian looking and he’s got dark hair and large black eyes. He’s fairly tall, above average height, not overly tall, about six foot. He’s not wearing pale blue overalls but a slightly deeper blue and it looks like there’s some sort of pleat or something going down from his shoulders to the centre.

J: Is there anything on his head?

S: No.

J: Is the room really dark or just dim?

S: Dim. Dim like this room. There’s a doorway on the other side of him and that’s fairly bright. It looks as if the light’s coming from there into the room and there’s the old table there on the left between him and the doorway. I think they were showing me how they just put their hands over things and the things worked. And I thought that must be what they meant. And then I thought I must try that with the typewriter. Just put my hands over it and see if it will type for me. And that just seems to be how they worked.

J: What sort of things are they showing you?

S: They’re not really showing me much. He’s just gone over to the bench and there’s dials and knobs and it’s a short bench. The rest of it is either covered or there’s nothing. It’s just a sheet of metal. He just puts his hand over and the thing seems to work and light up. He has a lot of energy in his hands.

J: Have you seen him before?

S: Not this one. No. I don’t think so.

J: Does he seem to know you?

S: Mmm. He does.

J: What’s his manner? Is It friendly, reserved?

S: It’s reserved. It’s sort of like a friendly teacher to a pupil. But still a bit reserved. I had, of course, come in at the end. I can't remember why he was showing or telling me.

J: It's all there. Now you’ll remember arriving in the room and beginning the conversation.

S: I don’t really remember arriving in that room. The image I’m getting now, or the picture I’m getting now, is going up from one reality through another, through a hole and the arms or hands were grabbing hold of me as I came up inside to their reality.

J: To their reality?

S: Yes.

J: Where is your body at this time?

S: I don’t know. I think it’s with me. Because when I looked down at the Mall there was nothing there. It was just empty space.

J: Right. So you’ve just vanished.

S: I vanished but really I was up above.

J: Of course. And nobody saw you vanish?

S: No.

J: Why do you think that was?

S: I think they blocked the light so that they didn’t even see us walking into the Mall. I think they blocked the light, so even if they were looking at where I was standing they would just see what was on the other side of the Mall as if I wasn’t there.

J: They bent the light?

S: Something like that. They just wouldn’t even know I was there. Physically there.

J: Well, Bob Lazar tells the can bend light. Now you’ve arrive in their reality. What is happening now?

S: They’re holding on to me, sort of steadying me. I know we talked. But I just can't...all I keep going to next is that dark room and that guy telling me I can do whatever I put my mind to. He seems to be referring to the energy in my hand. You don’t need to actually physically do things. Just put your hand over it and it will happen if you think it, if you concentrate, if you think it.

J: You can use that energy for healing, can you? Can you heal yourself and others with that energy?

S: Well, he said I could do anything I put my mind to.

J: So you could use that energy for healing.

S: Possibly.

J: Perhaps that’s what he meant – that you should use that energy for healing. Tell what you can about the conversation. In particular, you will remember anything especially important that he said to you.

S: Well, apart from that, he said you wont remember this. He said as soon as you go down you wont remember this.

J: And you didn’t.

S: No. I didn’t.

J: But now you’re being permitted to remember and you know why don’t you?

S: Mmm. I’m not sure why actually. But I think it must be O.K. Otherwise it wouldn’t be happening.

J: Well let’s ask them why now. You’re in contact, you’re in touch.

S: What do you want me to ask them?

J: Just ask them why you’re being allowed to talk now, why you’re being permitted to remember. He’ll tell you.

S: The message I seem to be getting it because I’m away from him, and I think they mean my ex-husband. I don’t think they really liked him. They’re saying it’s O.K. now because they want me to talk.

J: Ask them why they want you to talk to me.

S: The main thing they seem to be saying is because you’re wise and you were chosen.

J: Who chose me?

S: They did.

J: Ask them what happened the other night.

S: They seem to be saying it was their energy beam and they were showing you that it could go through solid objects and solid walls.

J: And through me.

S: Mmm.

J: Does it do any harm?

S: There's something about a blue beam.

J: At that intensity is there any harm?

S: When it’s a strong blue beam it can knock you back. Something about that’s how they control us.

J: Yes.

S: But it’s like that guy had that same energy in his hand.

J: Ask if it’s the same that went through in the ashram in 1980. In Sai Baba’s ashram. Can you ask him that?

S: They’re saying yes and no.

J: Ask them who is Satya Sai Baba. They’ll give you the answer.

S: They’re saying he’s a divine...One of the chosen ones also.

J: Ask them if he's like Christ or Buddha.

S: They’re saying yes. He’s one of the divine....

J: Now come back to the incident when you left the Mall and found yourself in their reality. What was the important thing they said to you? Or the Egyptian said to you.

S: They seemed to be saying we could do what they do or I could do what they do. And I think they meant in general terms that we could be like them. We just have to believe in ourselves and think we could do it and we can do it. It’s as simple as that. Sounds too simple.

J: Why have they chosen you, do you know?

S: I get the impression it’s because I am easy to talk to and I listen. But I’m not sure how much of is true.

J: I think it’s very true.

S: They find me easy to communicate with. I think that’s the crux of the matter.

J: Why are so many animals being mutilated, especially in the United States, and why is it necessary? Why is this being done?

S: The impression I’m getting is that the...I don’t know how scientifically correct this is, but their cells are close to us.

J: Their cells?

S: The organs are close to us. They’re experimenting.

J: What are they experimenting with? Just relax, they’ll tell you.

S: They’re experimenting with the inner organs to see how similar they are to theirs.

J: To their own?

S: Yes. They don’t want to frighten us by using our own species.

J: Just relax, they’ll tell you.

S: They’re experimenting with the inner organs to see how similar they are to theirs.

J: To their own?

S: Yes. They don’t want to frighten us by using our own species.

J: Why do they use cows? So many cows.

S: Because they’re available. I suppose they mean they’re just there and they can get to them easily.

J: Let’s go back now to the same incident when you’re in this darkened room with the Egyptian. What happens then?

S: It’s time for me to go and I don’t really want to go. It’s sort of fascinating watching them use their hands and their energy. And I want to stay and learn how to do that. They’re saying for now I have to go back.

J: How do they get you back?

S: I don’t know how but I’m seeing the picture of another room and the same hatch square opening and down there I can see the Mall. It’s quite close actually, it must only be about twenty feet above it. It's sort of strange that they’re that close and no one’s looking up or even noticing.

J: If they did look up what would they see?

S: Well, I would think [unintelligible]. Of course if they’ve got the power to bend light then they should see the sky,

J: Exactly.

S: It’s just unbelievable how close they can be. And everyone is just carrying on like normal, walking up and down the Mall. I don’t remember going back in the Mall, but I remembering going down the steps and going into the office, I don’t have any recollection of any time passing. As far as I'm concerned I’m on time and I just walk in and go behind my desk and start work again. And then about an hour or two later my boss said to me, he has a very gentle nature about him and he said, ‘O.K. tell me why you were late.’ And I just looked at him and I thought I wasn’t late. I said to him, ‘What are you talking about?’ and he said, ‘You’re a couple of hours late, what happened?’ and he said ‘Where were you and what were you doing?’ And I started saying ‘I wasn’t late.’ As far as I knew, I was time. And I said, ‘I don’t remember.’ That’s when I looked my watch. My time was out to theirs by about two hours.

J: Your watch was...

S: Out. Mine was two hours or something behind theirs.

J: Did you show him your watch?

S: Yes. Because I said, ‘Well look, you know, this is my time,’ and they said, ‘No, it’s not. It’s such and such a time.’

J: I see.

S: And it was a new watch so it couldn’t have possibly have been out. * I thought perhaps the timing wasn’t too good.

J: You remembered nothing?

S: No. I thought he was having a joke at first. I just felt he was joking and I said, when I realized he was, and that my watch was out, I said, ‘Oh look, I’m sorry. I didn’t do anything. I don’t remember doing anything. All I did was eat my meal and come back.’ But I didn’t apologise because I still wasn’t convinced that I’d been two hours away and he wasn’t entirely satisfied, though he thought it was a bit of a joke because I hadn’t given him an adequate explanation. But I couldn’t. It was funny. I mean we’re all laughing a bit about it but I just couldn’t work out why I was so late. I hadn’t done anything.

J: I want you to go forward then to the time when another man came into the office and showed you his hands. Do you remember that incident?

S: Oh at the Airline Company in 1985 .

J: Yes. Let’s go back there. You’ll remember everything very, very clearly about this incident. Just tell me in your own words.

S: I don’t remember him coming into the office. All I remember is suddenly looking up and there he was on the other side of the counter. And I suspected something was going on because he had on the pale blue uniform. Or someone had found out about the uniform and they’re doing a practical joke. He looked sort of Arabic or Anglo-Indian.

J: Or Egyptian?

*Stella commented later: ‘No problem with that watch, even now.’

S: Maybe, yes. Sort of pale olive skin though. It wasn’t dark.

J: Like the girl in the Mall?

S: No. He was darker than her. She was a lot lighter. And he said he wanted me to go with them or go with him to the craft.

J: Do you think other people could see him or just you?

S: No, others could see him, because later when I was showing him around the office one of the bosses came up and said, ‘You shouldn’t show strangers around the office. You shouldn’t show people you don’t know around the office.’

J: Can you describe the office? Was it an inner office or the general reception counter?

S: Well, initially he was in the reception area with me and then we walked into the inner office.

J: Yes.

S: And I kept thinking it was just a joke. But before I showed him into the inner office (where all the other offices were and the sales bench was – that was a semi circular shape) he said he wanted me to go to their craft. I said, ‘Where is it?’ And he said it was out in the bush but not too far away. And I said, ‘Oh no, I couldn’t,’ because I was at work and I thought I couldn’t possibly go. Then we got talking and she showed me his hand. That’s right. He had gloves on and he took  one off and in fact he left it behind.

J: He left the glove behind?

S: Mmm.

J: Can you describe that glove?

S: It was pale blue and it was like a thick cloth or like it was sort of knitted. But it wasn’t knitted, it was woven.

J: Did it feel like cotton or some other material?

S: Yes. Sort of like a cotton, a thick cotton.

J: Is it usually for a man to wear pale blue gloves?

S: Yes.

J: What did you do with the glove?

S: Well I looked at it. Then he got talking about his hand and I said, ‘Oh, you’re missing a finger on both hands.’ He said he had it surgically removed to look like one of them. And I had a look at the side of his hand and there was absolutely no scar at all and I pointed that out. I said ‘Oh, there’s no scar.’ And he said, ‘Well yes, the surgeon did a good job, did an excellent job.’

J: Was there a stump with a finger perhaps?

S: No there was nothing. I mean you’d think there would be a stump. It was smooth like yours.

J: It didn’t have a gap or anything you’d have expected?

S: No.

J: So he really only had three fingers naturally on his hand. And the side of the hand, or the side of the palm flowed naturally out. Afterwards when I wake you up I want you to draw this for me.

S: It was like he had not little finger and the third finger was just a bit shorter than ours.

J: The third finger.

S: Yes, the ring finger.

J: The ring finer was rather shorter than ours.

S: But the other two were normal.

J: And the thumb? Did you see the thumb?

S: It was normal. He had sort of stocky fingers.

J: Did you look at the palm of his hand at all?

S: I saw the palm. It was just normal like ours.

J: Did he have lines on each palm?

S: Yes. I think so. Yes. Just quite normal looking, except  for that one missing digit. *

J: So you showed him around the inner office much to the annoyance of the manager. And he asked you to go to his craft in the bush and you told him you couldn’t go. What happened then?

S: I think he just left.

* Stella commented later: ‘I did not examine the hand for lines on the palm.’

J: Did he say anything else that’s of importance?

S: No.

J: I want you to think about this very carefully.

S: Oh, I think one of the reasons why they wanted me to go to the craft was because something was wrong. Either someone was ill or something had been damaged. I don’t know whether they wanted a part for the craft and they were going to get it through me or someone might have been sick and they wanted me to buy some stuff from the chemist or something. I don’t really know.

J: Were you to buy the stuff from the chemist or get the part yourself? Couldn’t they do it?

S: That’s what I thought. But they don’t have money, I suppose. Unless they just shoplift.

J: Do you think he was telling you the truth about why he wanted you to go to the craft?

S: No.

J: You think there was another reason?

S: Mmm. But at the time I didn’t think so. I thought he was being quite honest. But he forgot his glove.

J: An absent minded alien.

S: Mmm. And I remember the next day two investigators came and they...

J: How did you know they were investigators?

S: Well, I don’t know who rang because I didn’t ring [the local UFO society].

J: Well, nobody rang. They were there even though nobody knew except you and you hadn’t rung [the UFO society].

S: Unless the manager did but I couldn’t imagine him doing that.

J: Did the manager know that you were entertaining an alien?

S: No.

J: No. So the manager would be the last person to contact the UFO society. Let’s just have a look at these investigators.

S: Well, two of them were the same as those after the ’80 sighting that wanted to see the marks on my back.

J: Oh, the doctors?

S: Yes.

J: Did one have red hair?

S: I think so.

J: Well, we've seen him before, haven’t we? He’s a versatile chap.

S: There’s the same blonde one.

J: Alright. And this time they’re not “doctors”, they’re investigators.

S: I’d thought they’d be journalists.

J: Journalists this time? And is there somebody else with them?

S: Yes, there’s a third one.

J: What does he look like?

S: He’s tall and he’s got dark hair, dark brown eyes and olive skin. He seemed more like a scientist. I don’t know why he seemed like a scientist.

J: And how did they introduce themselves to you?

S: They just came in and started talking.

J: You were at the receptionist’s desk, were you?

S: Yes.

J: Did anyone else see them? Did anyone comment on them?

S: No.

J: They were just customers as far as the staff were concerned?

S: No. One of them, the scientist one, came from the other doorway.

J: Which other doorway?

S: The entrance into the reception area. And there’s the doorway into the inner office and he came from that doorway.

J: As though he’d been where?

S: With one of the managers.

J: I see. He came from the manager’s office.

S: Yes. Or from the inner office.

J: Did you see him go into the inner office?

S: No.

J: How do you think he got into the inner office?

S: He could have got into it from two other doorways. Unless he just materialized and appeared from that doorway.

J: And the other two came in like customers, did they?

S: Yes.

J: A trio?

S: First of all the first two started talking and then the third one came in after. I can't remember how they started the conversation.

J: Would you like to remember? Let’s go back and try.

S: I’m not sure they...I’m starting to get a bit tired. I think they said that they believed I’d seen someone or something unusual yesterday. And then they wanted to know all about it.

J: Yes. Did they introduce themselves? Did they give you their names? Show you a card? Say where they were from?

S: No.

J: Did they dispense with the formalities?

S: Yes.

J: And what did you tell them?

S: I just told them what I saw and then I said, ‘Oh, he left behind his glove,’ because it was still there on the desk. So I gave  him the glove and that’s when the scientist came in and he said they’d have to take it to study it.

J: Of course. Naturally.

S: And I said oh well, I didn’t know whether he’d be coming back for it or not. And they sort of seemed to think he wouldn’t ever come back.

J: Do you think what they had come for was the glove?

S: No because they didn’t mention it. Although they did ask if anything had been left behind or if I had any evidence or proof.

J: Yes, yes, of course. You had a glove for them. And when they’d gone?

S: Well, a few days later I was just thinking about it, thinking ‘I wonder what they found out’ when the blonde one came in. And he said ‘I shouldn’t be telling you this but the weave is a very ancient weave like the ancient Arabic style.’ And he said ‘It matches up with that.’ And then he went. And then a week after the first visit, the one in pale blue came back asking for his glove.

J: How embarrassing you hadn’t got it.

S: Yes. Well I said to him that some guys came round and they took it to study it. And he wanted to know if there was any way of getting it back. And I said I didn’t know where it would be or...I said ‘It’s probably in the United States by now.’

J: Why the United States?

S: I don’t know.

J: Did they have American accents?

S: No.

J: It just occurred to you it might be the United States?

S: Yes. Maybe they said they were going to send it there. Or take it there. So he was a bit put out because he said that was part of his uniform and he had to have it. And then he left. He wasn’t really upset about it. He must have a spare one or something. Then he left and that was it. He was only there for a short time, only about five minutes.

J: Concerning all these interviews that you have with the alien who lost his glove and the three fearless investigators, I want you when you wake up to remember anything that was said that you consider particularly significant or important. It may be something quite small, some detail or not just anything that was said but anything you noticed at the time was odd. Or any missing time when you were talking to them.

S: No I can't.

J: [Counts to five]. All quite normal?

S: Yes. Quite normal except I couldn’t understand why the blonde headed one came back the second time. Why I wasn’t supposed to know the results of the tests because he said ‘I shouldn’t be telling you this. You’re not supposed to know...It’s all very hush hush.’ But I couldn’t understand why they would want me not to know. I was the one that gave it to them. Surely I had a right to know. And I wasn’t upset by it. It didn’t worry me – the fact that it was an ancient woven cloth or whatever. But I couldn’t understand why they felt they had to keep it hush hush from me. That annoyed me.

J: I’m going to ask you one more question, and this time it will be your subconscious that will answer. Your subconscious will answer through your fingers. You’ll raise one finger if the answer is yes. Were these three men aliens?

S: Yes.

J: Were they friends of the man in the pale blue coverall? Were they working with him, associated with him?

S: Yes.

J: Is there anything else in that incident which you haven’t remembered because it has been blocked or censored, which you haven’t been able to tell me about?

S: No.

[End of session]

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