The Stella Sessions - Part VII

The Stella Sessions

31 January 1990

J: What can you see?

S: I can see the room and it’s crowded. There’s quite a few of them around. It’s dimly lit and I’m feeling very thirsty.

J: You’re feeling very thirsty?

S: Mmm.

J: Do you let them know you’re feeling thirsty?

S: No. A small one comes in. One of them is motioning to someone outside. A small green one comes in, she’s holding a large tumbler.

J: Can you describe the green one?

S: She’s very short, very slightly built. In the room, her skin looks green.

J: How tall?

S: Oh, about to my waist, I suppose. Very, very short. She comes  to above their waist.

J: What does her head and face look like?

S: She’s bald. Very rounded sort of skull and face. She has a slant to her eyes. Very large dark eyes. There’s a slant to al the facial bones.

J: What about her nose?

S: She hardly has any nose.

J: Mouth?

S: She has quite a wide mouth, very thin lips. Her skin seems to be all creased.

J: The skin is creased?

S: It’s sort of downward lines. Not smooth. It’s all sort of like that’s the way her skins is, a bit like a reptile and it looks thick and leathery and it looks like groves running down her face.

J: What’s she wearing? You say ‘she’. You know it’s a ‘she’ do you?

S: I don’t think she’s wearing anything. It’s just skin.

J: How do you know it’s a ‘she’ and not a ‘he’?

S: I don’t really. I just thought it was. Perhaps the way she moves or the eyes. I don’t really know.

J: Right. So what happens now?

S: She comes around to the left side. I’m lying on the table and she comes round to the left side. I’m in a semi-sitting position, I think, and they watch and they tell her to give it to me, while they’re watching. She hands it over to me and it’s all I can do to sort of control my fear. She’s so different.

J: But now you have no fear? Now you’re quite free from fear? You’ll observe this very calmly and very coolly.

S: It takes all my strength just to take the tumbler from her and without panicking. They seem to know that. They seem to be watching. I say ‘Thank you’ to her. And she seems very pleased, very happy that I’ve taken it from her. But the picture I’m seeing now is that she’s sitting on the end of my table, down at my feet. But I don’t remember that.

J: No. It doesn’t matter. That’s what you see now. I just want you to tell me what you see now. She’s sitting...

S: At my feet, at the end of the table. And she seems very pleased.

J: Right. And you’re drinking this, are you?

S: Mmm.

J: Because you’re thirsty? What does it taste like?

S: It’s like water mixed with something bitter. It’s not too bitter. Just so I can taste it. I drink it all. I may have left a little bit in it at the bottom.

J: Then what do you do?

S: I don’t remember. I don’t remember giving it back to her.

J: Just let the images come.

S: I’m putting the cup down on the left side of the table and I think she takes it.

J: Yes. Almost like a servant.

S: And the Blue one are coming in closer.

J: Yes. How many of them?

S: Mmm. Probably at least half a dozen. The room seems to be crowded. It’s very dimly lit still. I can see two over near a screen over on the left. I don’t remember that screen being there before. It’s like part of the wall has been peeled away or something. There’s a large screen against the wall.

J: How are you feeling now as you’re lying there on the table?

S: Very, very tired.

J: Are you still nauseous?

S: No.

J: Still lying there feeling very tired but not nauseous?

S: Mmm.

J: What’s happening now?

S: I don’t know. I can feel them bringing in like a projector screen, but I haven’t seen that before.

J: Right, right. Just let the images come. Just relax.

S: There’s one or two around behind my head and there's about three or four over on my right.

J: These are Blues aren’t they?

S: Mmm.

J: Can you describe your surroundings? What’s above you, for example, looking up?

S: I don’t really remember looking up much. I think it’s just...I can see a rectangular light way up but I can also see like a circular light above and behind me. It seems to be attached to some sort of mechanical arm and that’s attached to a square or some sort of machine to my right and behind me. Behind the table. It’s like a square. No, more like an upright rectangular box. It looks like it has a curved cover over the top of it. There’s a table on top and it’s got a curve, and it comes over in a semi circle over it.

J: What colour is it? Can you see the colour?

S: It’s gray, just a metallic gray.

J: Do you know what all these things are for?

S: No. I’ve got no idea. I didn’t even know...It’s the first time I’ve seen it. I didn’t even know it was there.

J: What about the room itself? Is that quite large or small?

S: It’s about the size of this room. It’s spacious but it’s not large. There’s a doorway on the right hand side and then a bench on the wall, and to the other side of the doorway, it goes across. It looks like there’s a doorway at the other end against the wall that’s well lit. And next to that is the screen with the two men against it and then there’s a bench of things after that screen around there to the left.

J: Very well described. Very clear.

S: I don’t remember anything on the left before. This is the first time I’ve seen it.

J: What colour is all this?

S: It’s all that dull metallic gray. It’s all so gray. It’s always gray. There’s no colour really. It’s just metallic.

J: Everything metallic gray?

S: Mmm.

J: What’s happening now?

S: I don’t know. All I can see now is I’m heading out to the hatch. The hatch in the floor back in the first room. And one of them is asking me if I feel I’m O.K. enough to go back. I’m sure that I’m O.K and well.

J: Let’s go back a little further in time before you went to the hatch. Go back a little way. I want you to go back to the time when there was a creature there by your side showing you some sort of baby or infant. Can you remember that?

S: That was before the drink.

J: That’s right. Before the drink. What was this creature? What did it look like?

S: That was the same one or very similar. A small, green creature. She showed me the strange thing that looked like a foetus of something. I suppose it looks like a semi-developed foetus, say one of ours that had been [unintelligible], but it was way too big to be a human foetus.

J: What was it in?

S: It was in a bluish sort of membrane. I remember a gray kidney shaped and white foetus. She held it up so that I could see it. It was horrible.

J: Where did it come from? Did she tell you?

S: No. I think it came from one of their other rooms. She never said anything.

J: Did she indicate why she was showing this to you? Do you have any idea?

S: I think she’s trying to make me think it was mine. But it was horrible. It wasn’t human at all. There was no way it could have been mine. It was so big. It was really quite big and yes it looked about like a human foetus. I don’t know why she was showing it to me. It was so silly. And they told her not to and yet there she was. 

J: They told her not to?

S: Yeh.

J: The Blues told her not to?

S: Mmm.

J: But she disobeyed.

S: Mmm.

J: I see.

S: But they're not doing anything. They’re not saying anything to her. Now one of them is telling her to go. She goes.

J: Yes.

S: She goes out that door on the right.

J: You say you think you saw something like a white ball or white sphere, a white globule at one stage.

S: Mmm.

J: Can you tell me about that? Do you remember it perfectly?

S: They were lifting it up from me when I first noticed it.

J: Taking it out of you?

S: I don’t know. I meant it’s possible but it doesn’t look like anything that would come from a human body. It looks as if they’re removing an egg sized white thing. They had it in a pair of tweezers or something.

J: When you say egg sized does that mean the size of a hen’s egg?

S: Yeh.

J: [astonished] About the size of a hens egg?

S: Mmm.

J: And what do they say about that? Do they explain what it is?

S: No. They didn’t. I remember feeling angry with them. I didn’t like the thought that they were taking something from me or something out of me.

J: You were angry with them?

S: Mmm. I feel how dare they take something from me.

J: Where did it come from?

S: I think it came from my abdomen area. I’m not really sure.

J: Did they make an incision to get it?

S: Possibly. I don’t remember it. I can't really see what they’re doing.

J: Can you see what they’re doing? Can you see?

S: No. I can't see how they did it. I have a feeling it came from my right side somewhere, but I really don’t know. They must have made an incision about there, over my hip, or near there. But I don’t see how that could have come from there.

J: You were anesthetised?

S: I keep slipping in and out. I keep seeing what they’re doing and then fading.

J: Yes. Perhaps you were anesthetised. Can you hear them saying anything?

S: They seem to know when I’m becoming more conscious and they seen to be...I don’t know. Maybe they’re explaining what they were doing. I’m trying to hear them.

J: At the count of five you’ll hear them very clearly. [counts]. It’s much clearer now.

S: No. They’re not saying anything at the moment.

J: What are they doing?

S: I don’t know. They’re just standing there. I think they’ve finished whatever they were doing.

J: Let’s go forward now to the time when they take you to the hatch and ask you id you want to go back. What do you say?

S: They’re asking me if I’m ready to go back. If I feel all right. If I feel well enough to go back.

J: And what do you say?

S: And I’m saying, ‘Yes, I do feel well enough.” I’m a bit shaky but other than that I feel O.K. so they open the hatch and tell me just to jump. And I look down and we must be about twenty or thirty feet up, maybe forty. And I’m saying, “There’s no way I can jump down. I’d kill myself if I jumped down.”

J: What’s underneath you when you look out the hatch?

S: I can see the car and the trees and the footpath.

J: The car’s down there?

S: Yeh. On the ground. And I’m saying, “There’s no way I’m going to jump.” And I said, “You’ll have to come down closer.” So they come down a bit closer, I would say level with or just a bit above the wires on the lamp post. I don’t know how high that is.

J: I would say about twenty feet.

S: Mmm. So they are down about that far and I’m saying, “It’s still too far.” But they said, “No, you can jump.” And they said, “See those two over there next to the bench.” There’s a bench behind and towards the centre of the craft, on the inner side of the room. It has a thickish stand and then it goes out and it’s angled, so you can't see the other side. And there’s two young ones in blue behind there and he says they will stop me from hurting myself if I fall down. I seem to know that they're going to create a – I don’t know – vacuum or something. So then I look over at them and I feel as if they have my life in their hands. It’s such a horrible feeling. Because they can't go down any closer. And I said, “I want someone to go with me. I don’t want to go on my own.” So one jumps down before me and I can hear the wind, for the sound is like a vacuum cleaner sort of sound and effect. You can't really feel the wind inside, it’s more outside, underneath the craft. There must be a machine underneath it. And he lands okay and he goes round to the right side of the car. So I jump. I look at the two at the bench and then I jump and it’s like being held. You’re still moving but it's  like being held as well. There’s still the force of the jump but you’re not gathering momentum. And except for the last few feet, it seems to lose its impact or strength. And I remember the last few feet. That’s when I seem to gain momentum. And I remember landing and taking a few quick steps, half running to get my balance. The one on the car seemed to think I was very agile or something because I hadn’t fallen. I’d stayed on my feet.

J: What happens now?

S: He’s opening the car door and I’m getting in.

J: How does he get back?

S: I don’t know. He wanted to see me start the car. He wanted to watch. I start the car. I don’t remember him going back.

J: So you’re in the car. You start the car and what do you do now?

S: Then I drive further up to my street and turn into my street and then I turn into my driveway.

J: You go into the house?

S: Mmm.

J: What does your sister Carol say?

S: I’m feeling very happy, very light hearted. I’m feeling much better than I have for a week and I knock on the door and then everyone’s mad at me. They’re angry because I’ve been so long. They’re really worried.

J: Do you know how long you’ve been gone?

S: No. They said I’ve been gone for hours. Something like two hours I think. They said it was eight thirty.

J: Did they ask you where you’d gone? What you’d been doing?

S: Yes.

J: And what did you say?

S: I was told not to say anything.

J: So what did you tell your family?

S: I just said I’d seen a white light and my sister was angry at me. It was more or less the first thing she said, when I came in was that I smelt strange and she got up and left the room. She was really angry. She would have been as angry as Dad and everyone.

J: Because you were so long? Had you frightened your family because you were gone for so long?

S: I think so. Yes.

J: And you smelt strange. Did she describe the smell?

S: I remember her saying to Mum that I smelt of chemicals. But it doesn’t bother me. I’m not worried. It doesn’t bother me that they’re angry. I’m feeling quite light hearted.

[End of session]

COPYRIGHT (C) 2010 J D FRODSHAM

The Stella Sessions - Part VI

The Stella Sessions

26 January 1990

J: You are going to tell us what happened. You’re in the car, coming back from a party. Who’s in the car with you?

S: David, Paula, the Malaysian guy, I think his name was Robbie, and a blond haired girl. I think her name was Jane.

J: It’s quite a crowded car.

S: It was..Yes.

J: Who was driving?

S: David.

J: Now what’s happening?

S: We’re driving along near the oval.

J: Where’s that?

S: That’s one block away from my house. I thought I saw a flat looking grey brown shape lifting up or just hovering there. No one else seemed to notice it. I said, ‘Oh did you see that?’ No one else saw it.

J: Is it night time? Is it quite late?

S: Yes.

J: About what time?

S: Half eleven. Maybe a bit later.

J: You can see it now. You’re there. You’re in the car with the others and you’re watching it. There it is. This object, is it moving?

S: No it’s just over the oval. We turn the corner, we’re coming up and we all notice as David’s changing from first to second gear, the car seems to falter and the radio goes static. It’s very slight, very short. It felt almost as if the car was being lifted up because it lost power and we’re back on the road again. Just a slight sort of strange feeling that the wheels had lost contact with the road or something.

J: I want you to go back to that moment when the wheels lose contact with the road.

S: I just remember feeling dizzy. It’s like I had a picture of the roadside just going away and making me feel dizzy.

J: You’re feeling dizzy? What happens next?

S: I don’t know. I think one or two around me are asleep. I’m sort of very dizzy and very tired. There’s a black shape above. It’s very big. It’s just there. Black all around.

J: How close is it?

S: Within a few feet of the top of the car. It’s so black.

J: And how big is it?

S: It’s hanging way over the car. Way over. About ten feet over the car.

J: And where’s the car now? Can you see? Look out the window, what do you see?

S: It’s all black.

J: Just blackness. No lights?

S: No.

J: Do you think you’re still on the road?

S: No. There’s nothing around. There’re no houses. No trees.

J: Right. So what’s happening now?

S: I don’t know there’s a [unintelligible] as I feel as if we’re lifting up. And it’s [unintelligible] gray dimly lit. a gray light. It’s not bright and it’s not dim. Well, the cars gone up into this light, into this lit room.

J: The car’s in this lighten room?

S: Mmm. It’s all gray and bright and there are doors leading off the room.

J: What do you see now?

S: I’m just seeing the room.

J: Are there any aliens in the room?

S: No, it’s fairly empty.

J: It’s a big room because it’s big enough to hold a car.

S: It would be about five foot around the car. It seems narrower on the sides that at the front. The front seems to go for about ten feet.

J: Have you been in this place before?

S: It looks very similar, very very similar.

J: Very similar to what?

S: To like the one when Jeremy and I were driving along, except it’s better lit.

J: It’s better lighted, right. What about your friends in the car?

S: They’re all asleep. I can see David with his head on the side of the car.

J: But you’re awake. You’re different.

S: Only just. I’m feeling very tired.

J: And the car isn’t moving?

S: No.

J: Now, you will remember what happened then. Here it is now. There’s the car, you’re inside it.

S: I’ve never seen this before. I can see two men in blue again, just pale blue.

J: Our friends in pale blue.

S: Mmm. They’re wheeling a trolley, a long trolley on the right hand side.

J: Do they look familiar? Old friends?

S: Mmm. It looks like there’s one on the other side as well. I’m just floating there. I don’t think I’m even awake.

J: You’re out of your body are you?

S: It feels very floaty, yes.. very floaty.

J: What now?

S: They’re taking David out. They must be taking everyone out.

J: On the trolley?

S: On the trolley. There’s one for each person. I’ve never seen those trolleys before.

J: Can you describe the trolleys?

S: They’re very shiny, very metallic. Just like the trolleys in the hospital I suppose.

J: A hospital trolley with wheels?

S: Yes. There’s a square, a black thin outline of a square on the trolley.

J: Are you going on the trolley?

S: I must be. I can see a corridor going down, [unintelligible] looking up at the ceiling.

J: Going down? Is it actually going downhill along the corridor?

S: No. it’s just going down an aisle. A thin aisle.

J: And you’re on the trolley and they’re pushing you?

S: I don’t know. I cant see. I feel as if I’m floating. They’re sort of leaning over as they’re wheeling you along. There’s one on that side and one on this side. The one at my feet is walking along and sort of looking over, bending over at the same time and watching.

J: And these are the Blues?

S: Yes.

J: With the black stripes on their uniforms?

S: No. I cant see any black stripes. Very, very pale. Almost white.

J: Where are you now?

S: I’m in a small room.

J: Are the others with you?

S: No. I don’t think so.

J: Are you still on the trolley?

S: Yes.

J: Who’s with you now?

S: It’s not clear.

J: How do you feel?

S: I feel all right. I don’t really feel anything. I’m looking through the doorway.

J: What can you see?

S: I can see one or two people standing over about ten feet away from the other entrance to another doorway,

J: Can you describe the people? Are they human beings?

S: Yes.

J: Human beings?

S: It looks like David, I think standing in the doorway.

J: I see. He’s awake then.

S: Yes. They seem...yea.

J: It’s David is it?

S: I think so. Someone with short hair.

J: Are you sure it’s a human being? Could it have been a Blue?

S: It’s a human being but I’m not sure if it’s David or not.

J: Right. What’s he wearing this human being?

S: It’s pale blue.

R: He’s one of them?

S: He must be.

J: But he looks different does he from the other Blues?

S: No. he looks like one of the Blues.

J: What’s happening now?

S: I was just thinking it seems like a scene I remember where I thought I saw all my friends in the car walking into a room and I was in a separate room.

J: So your friends are walking around and you’re lying down?

S: They’re not now. But it’s the same…I was in the same room looking down the same doorway. The others are walking into the doorway of another room just down from me.

J: What’s going on now?

S: I’m just lying there.

J: You’re quite comfortable?

S: Mmm. Looks like they’re bringing in a screen,

J: What sort of screen?

S: Like the one you use for a projector.

J: Oh, right. Can you see anything on the screen?

S: No. It’s just gray. Everything is gray.

J: Describe the room please?

S: It’s a rectangular sort of room, it’s long like that, about the size of this room. The doorway is next to the left wall, and the table or trolley or whatever I’m on is about three or four feet away from the wall. The doorway must be about three or four feet away from the side of the wall too. So I’m looking straight out the doorway and down that passage through that room with the doorway on the right. Now they’ve got that screen on my left.

J: Is there anything on the screen?

S: No, it’s just gray, just metallic looking. Nothing on it.

J: Just go forward a few minutes in time as it was then. Come in. what can you see? I want you to push forward a few minutes in time.

S: They’re telling me to sit up. I’m sitting up so they must have told me to sit up.

J: Are you dressed or undressed?

S: I don’t know.

J: Try and look at yourself.

S: I’d say I’m dressed. No. the picture is showing I don’t have a top on. I can see my back.

J: So you’re sitting up now.

S: Mmm.

J: What’s happening now? Is there anything on that screen?

S: No. I’m watching and I can’t see.

J: Who’s around you? Who’s around?

S: There’s two Blues.

J: What are they doing?

S: One’s sort of moving my arm. He’s moved my arm up over the screen so my lower arm is resting on the screen. They’re got a rug or something over my legs.

J: What’s happening now? Is there anything on that screen still?

S: No, I’m watching and I can't see.

J: Who’s around you? Who’s around?

S: There's two Blues.

J: What are they doing?

S: One’s sort of moving my arm. He’s moved my arm up over the screen so my lower arm is resting on the screen. They’re got a rug or something over my legs.

J: Perhaps you were feeling cold.

S: Mmm. There's not much happening.

J: Go forward a few minutes now. What’s happening now?

S: All I saw was I was lying back down again.

J: You’re lying down?

S: Mmm. And the rug’s over me, over my shoulders.

J: They’ve pulled the rug right up to your shoulders.

S: It’s hard to move to just look down the doorway.

J: It’s hard for to you to move is it?

S: Mmm. I remember it being hard to move. I tried. But it’s hard. It’s like I wanted to but my body just isn’t...and there’s one sitting there on my right. He’s there more or less the whole time.

J: He’s also a Blue is he?

S: Mmm. He’s there all the time. He just watches.

J: Are they saying anything to you?

S: They said I could pull the rug up if I was feeling cold. And I’m sure he said I wouldn’t be able to move.

J: Did you pull the rug up?

S: Yes. I can't hear him saying that but I know he said that. And they said to look down the passage way, that I would feel sleepy. They said I would be able to see the light coming out of the doorway and that I’d feel sleepy.

J: And are you feeling sleepy?

S: Mmm.

J: What’s happening now?

S: I can see his body right there. Right up close. I can see his blue suit.

J: Can you smell anything? You’ve got a keen sense of smell.

S: No, I can't smell anything different.

J: Are they using any instruments? Can you see any instruments?

S: No.

J: Just the screen?

S: Mmm.

J: Is your hand still over the screen?

S: No. I’m under the rug.

J: Do you feel that they’ve done something to you or that they’re going to do something to you?

S: I thought they had done something. But I feel that they’re going to do something as well but I don’t know.

J: Right. What do you think they’ve done?

S: I don’t know. It’s almost like that screen is glass. I don’t know. It’s just funny...I don’t know what they did.

J: Something to do with the screen?

S: Mmm.

J: Right. Now we move on a little while and you’ll tell us what else they’re doing, if they’re doing anything. Are they doing anything else? A few minutes on.

S: No I don’t think so. I think they’re wheeling me out of the room.

J: Where are they wheeling you to?

S: To the doorway that’s lit.

J: Right.

S: And I can see the car just further on, that’s where the car is, down the passage. I’ve never seen this before. It’s so strange. I’m in this lit room. Like a circular thing.

J: A circular room.

S: No a circular light right at the far end of the room, and they’ve got a table in a U-shaped and they’ve got instruments on it. And this room is so bright, very bright.

J: A U-shaped table?

S: Yes, the trolley sort of goes into the...

J: Bend of the U?

S: Mmm.

J: And you’re on the trolley?

S: Mmm.

J: And there’re instruments on the table?

S: Mmm.

J: What are they doing now?

S: They’re not doing anything. They seem to be moving somewhere or were in here. All in this brightly lit room. I can see.

J: Are you still feeling sleepy? When I count to five I want you to remember what is happening in that room? What’s happening in that brightly lit room?

S: They look our sort of doctors. They’ve masks over their faces and caps. Just like our surgeons I suppose.

J: What are they doing? You’ll remember very clearly.

S: They’re not doing anything to me they’re just looking at an instrument.

J: Describe the instrument. You can see it very clearly.

S: It’s a very fine sort of instrument but it has a tiny hook at the end of it.

J: Is it long?

S: The handle is long and thin.

J: What do they use this instrument for?

S: I don’t know. I’m getting a picture of skin being pulled back.

J: On you?

S: I don’t know.

J: Skin pulled back with the instrument?

S: Feels like a tiny incision and the hook is sort of lifting the skin up. It’s a strange set up.

J: When they lift the skin up what happens?

S: You can see the underneath.

J: Can you see where the skin is? On what part of the anatomy?

S: It’s on the stomach.

J: On the stomach?

S: I can see the other beds with bodies on them. I think it must be the others. They’ve got white sheets pulled up over them.

J: Are they sleeping?

S: Yes.

J: Are you sleeping?

S: Yes.

J: How did they make you sleep?

S: There’s one at the foot of the bed and he just stares into your eyes.

J: One of the Blues?

S: There’s another behind you and he puts his hand over your forehead.

J: Is there anything in his hand?

S: I remember one time it felt wet and cold. There's something black.

J: There's something black in his hands?

S: I don’t know whether it was wet or just damp.

J: But something black in his hand.

S: Mmm.

J: Does he put the black thing on your forehead?

S: Mmm. That’s it. I don’t remember what he does after that.

J: Do you remember coming round? What’s happening now?

S: We’re coming down.

J: In what?

S: In the car.

J: You’re coming down in the car with all your friends.

S: Mmm.

J: What can you see as you look around the car?

S: No. I don’t know if we're coming down or not. The car just sort of bumps a little and I’m just vaguely aware of floating, feeling floating, and the car bumps a little. And it’s like we’re all awake. We’re all alert. It’s really strange.

J: Is the car moving now?

S: No.

J: Are you on the road?

S: Mmm.

J: You’re on the road. The car’s not moving.

S: No.

J: Are the lights on? You’ll remember quite clearly.

S: Yes, I think the lights are on.

J: How are your friends reacting?

S: They’re all looking around. It’s quite strange. It’s moving over. It [the ufo] seems to go on forever and ever.

J: It's enormous.

S: Yes. And then we think it’s gone. Then it’s there in front. In front of us.

J: What does it look like?

S: It looks like almost like a top, a spinning top.

J: Are there any lights on it?

S: Yes there are. Well not at the moment. But they were.

J: Now it’s dark is it? Without lights?

S: Yes. We’re all watching it. I don’t think our car lights are on.

J: Right. How do your friends react to this sight?

S: It's  strange. We’re sort of wondering what it is. We’re trying to work out what was it. I think someone cracked a joke about superman. Is it a plane? Is it a ship?

[End of session]

COPYRIGHT (C) 2010 J D FRODSHAM

The Stella Sessions - Part V

The Stella Sessions

23 January 1990

J: I want to take you back to 1980 when you saw the Egyptian and they gave you the Egyptian headdress and you refused it. So you’re back in 1980. They’ve given you an Egyptian headdress.

S: It should be 1979.

J: I thought it was August 1980.

S: No. It should be 1979.

J: Thank you. Now they’re giving you the headdress. Can you see them giving it to you? Who’s giving you the headdress?

S: The one in blue.

J: Can you describe it?

S: It’s gold, all gold and there’s something at the front of it that goes up high. It looks like a band that goes around the forehead to the back of the head.

J: Why don’t you want to take it?

S: I don’t know. I think it’s because I feel an obligation of some sort. They were very offended so I know I did the wrong thing.

J: What did they say? How do you know they were offended?

S: By the way they reacted. They became very angry. No, not very but, they were angry.

J: All of them or just some of them?

S: Just some of them.

J: What are they saying now?

S: I have this thought that they’re saying that even if I don’t accept it, it’s still mine and they’ll bring it somewhere or leave it somewhere.

J: What happens next? Do they want you to lie on the table?

S: I can't get rid of the picture of the headdress.

J: Just keep looking at it and tell what happens.

S: It’s just there. It has a snake. I remember going afterwards to the library to see if I could place the headdress with the snake in front. I knew it was something to do with the goddess of love or beauty or something. It’s something that...their [unintelligible] high priestesses would wear or something.

J: What’s coming up now? Go forward to the time when they wanted you to lie on the table. Has this happened before? Or is this the first time?

S: I think this is the first time. But I seem to know what to expect almost. I’m sure it’s the first time. It must have been the first time.

J: Even as a child you hadn’t lain on the table?

S: No. I’ve never seen it before.

J: Describe the table.

S: Actually, I saw it before in 1977. It’s a long rectangular table, very thick. On the top the....[unintelligible] the stand is just a single round very large pole underneath it. There’s just one leg underneath. It’s very gray, metallic, almost a shiny surface. I can see a hole... not a hole, a something in the centre. I see a very thin circle in the centre like there’s an opening or something underneath it. I can see a larger rectangular white light up above, just like an x-ray room or something.

J: Are you on the table?

S: No, I’m looking at it.

J: Go forward a bit now.

S: I’m looking around the room.

J: What do you see?

S: It has a bench down the left side and it’s just covered with instruments, a long bench from one outside wall to the end wall where the doorway is.

J: What shape is the room?

S: It seems to be narrow at one end and wider behind me, but it’s basically rectangular. Maybe it’s just rectangular and that’s the way it appears. That was when they left me alone. It was very strange. They brought me into this room and left me there. They just all walked out. I remember waking up and getting off and looking around, I was looking at the instruments.

J: You woke up because you were sleeping on the table?

S: I must have been. I can't remember sleeping.

J: How did you get on the table?

S: I remember not wanting to get on the table.

J: Are you dressed or undressed?

S: I was dressed but they wanted me to get undressed, and I dint want to. I don’t know. Now I’m undressed, I’m standing next to it. I couldn’t have undressed. I don’t know. One of them made a comment. One had just come in. It’s before I got on the table. He said something about me being a sprinter or something and I said I used to run a bit when I was younger. I used to be good at sprinting. And how did he know?

J: Who said that?

S: One of the Blues. One of the short Blues.

J: What happens now?

S: I’m waking up on the table. I’m just trying to.....see.

J: Is anything being done to you?

S: Something’s being done. Whatever’s up above is moving down. I’m getting scared because I feel it’s going to squash me flat against the table.

J: What is up above?

S: Just that white light.

J: The light is coming closer?

S: Mmm.

J: Is it very bright?

S: A bit bright. It must be fairly bright, but not too bright. Not uncomfortably bright.

J: And as it comes closer, what happens?

S: It stops. It seems to have stopped just above. But I don’t like it.

J: Just let yourself go. Let the images flow, go with it.

S: I'm waking up. I’m looking at the instrument. There’s no light above me or anything.

J: Has the light gone now?

S: Yes. It’s very dim. It's a very dull light. I remember walking along looking at the bench and still no one’s inside.

J: You’re all alone?

S: Yes. All alone.

J: Are you cold or hot?

S: I remember it being a bit cold that’s why I got up off the table. It got too cold.

J: Because you’ve got no clothes on?

S: No. I have my clothes on.

J: You’re clothes are back on?

S: Mmm.

J: Can you smell anything in the room?

S: [Inhales deeply]. No.

J: What’s happening now?

S: And as I was looking at an instrument one came in the doorway and he saw me looking at it. He’s just standing there, not doing anything and he walks off. It’s not very clear. It’s a very hazy sort of picture. I think there’s two, I don’t know, I can't be sure of what I’ve seen. I don’t remember this bit. [unintelligible]. There’s two little figures coming in. There’s one behind...one tall one.

J: Are they Grays?

S: I think they are.

J: They’re Grays. Who  has a black palm sized object in his hand? You mentioned this. [in the diary].

S: That’s the one when I was on the table, he was standing behind me. I remember him coming around behind.

J: Can you see what the object is?

S: I can see his hand. It's open like that. Just a square black, like a magnet. Some sort of magnetic thing or metallic thing.

J: It’s shaped like a square, is it?

S:  Yes, just a flat...

J: A cube?

S: Squarish. It's flat, flatter. Perhaps a little bit rectangular.

J: What’s he doing with it?

S: I can see his hand there. He’s placed it on my forehead.

J: What happens when he places it on your forehead?

S: I’m out. I don’t know a thing.

J: It knocks you out. Anaesthesia.

S: Yes.

J: The moment he puts it on your forehead?

S: Mmm. It’s very quick. It works very fast.

J: When you come round from the anaesthesia what do you see?

S: I see an empty room. No one’s there.

J: How do you feel with the empty room? How do you feel about being there yourself?

S: I feel very relaxed.

J: Not frightened? Not upset?

S: No.

J: Good.

S: I’m wondering where they all are, then I see the bench so I thought I’d have a quick look. There’s nothing around.

J: Were they impressed by your wanting to see the bench?

S: No. I don’t think so.

J: They didn’t like it very much when they came back? Are they back now? They’re talking to you, something about a plague.

S: That was earlier.

J: They were talking to you about a plague?

S: I think they’re having a conversation with me...before and after.

J: You’re back there now?

S: Yes. I think that must have been after, before I went down, back to the ground.

J: Yes, you’re back there now. You’re having a conversation.

S: [Confidently] Oh, he’s miming. He’s trying to describe things. He's the one I call the Greek one. The one that can't seem to talk. I call him a Greek because he looks Greek.

J: He doesn’t look Egyptian?

S: Yes. Same as that area.

J: Is he a Blue?

S: Yes. He’s a Blue.

J: He’s one of the Blues. And how does he mime?

S: He’s sort of...describing things. One of the things he described was a ‘nightshade’. It’s a plant.

J: It’s so difficult to describe, to mime a nightshade.

S: I don’t know how he did it. He pointed to the night sky or blackness or...And the shade, he pointed to the shadow. It’s hard. I can't remember exactly but I know it was nightshade.

J: Did he indicate what the nightshade was for?

S: Something about cancer.

J: Ah yes.

S: Then he points to northern India. I’m trying to work out why.

J: How does he point to northern India? Is there a map?

S: I think there is. Yes. There’s a map.

J: A map of the world. Where is the map?

S: It’s there on a table of some sort. He’s point and then they’re talking about the Black Death. And I said, well, that happened years ago. Yes. Well, this is my thought. I don’t really know exactly. They asked how we got rid of the Black Death. And I said there was a big fire in London. There was a big fire. * [Stella is confusing the Black Death (1349) with the Great Plague (1665)]

J: I want you to be right back there to be feeling at the present, to be experiencing it now. Go back there, just wait for the imagery to come. Just see what they’re doing and see if you can hear what they’re saying.

S: It’s like charades. He’s talking about a band aid or something. He pretends he’s cut himself and he’s indicating a strip of some sort. And from it, it took me...I sort of felt that he would need a band aid. And I thought well do you want me to go to the chemist and get a band aid. He said no to cut the word in half. I said well, ‘band’. And he said ‘No. The other half’ and I said ‘Oh aid!’ and something about more than one. That must have been how. Yes. That must have been how it was. It’s just all charades or miming.

J: Did you know why they were trying to tell you about band aids?

S: Well, at first I thought he was injured or cut or something. But... something about a plague.

J: And what about nightshade? Did they indicate the connection between nightshade and band aids and the plague?

S: Nightshade seemed more to do with... I don’t know. It was like they were searching for the plant. They wanted to find it. They said it was in northern India. I don’t know. I thought it had something to do with cancer, not with Aids. I don’t know.

J: What happens after this conversation? You’re there?

S: Something about the planet being poisoned or I don’t know... Our planet is poisonous. It’s very dangerous.

J: The planet is poisonous? The planet is dangerous?

S: Mmm. That’s when they started saying they didn’t want me to go back down. I was a bit frightened. I thought they wouldn’t let me go down. And I have to. It’s where I live. It’s all I know. I have to go back.

J: They’re giving you a choice?

S: Mmm. There’s always a choice.

J: Are they forcing you in any way?

S: No. They’re not happy with me going back.

J: Because the planet is poisoned, is that right?

S: Mmm, yes. I don’t know. It just seems to be really bad. Or they seem to think it’s really bad. I had no idea what it was like.

J: Did they tell you what the poison is?

S: Everything.

J: Everything is poisoned? The air, is that poisonous?

S: Everything.

J: The water, the food, diseases everywhere. Is that what they mean or are they referring...

S: Everything.

J: Everything is poisonous?

S: Mmm. They’re saying they won’t go near it. They don’t like going near it. I can't work that one out. I don’t know why.

J: What’s happening now?

S: Nothing. I'm just waiting for the next picture. I can't see anything. It's all black. I get the feeling as if I'm blacking out all the time. One minute I’m in one room, the next minutes I'm in another.

J: Are they moving you from room to room?

S: Yes.

J: Do they tell you why they want you up there?

S: They want me to tell... or talk. But I don’t know what they want me to talk.

J: You talked of Lot in the Bible.

S: Pardon?

J: You talked of Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah, and fire. And they talked of destroying someone.

S: Oh! I thought they wanted to destroy Perth though. They seemed to be wanting to burn a city, and I thought they meant Perth. It's  horrible. I tried to... they wanted to destroy everything, and I said no, there’s a lot of good people as well.

J: They wanted to destroy the whole earth?

S: I’m not sure.

J: Or just the human beings?

S: Just cities.

J: Just human cities.

S: Just a city I think it was.

J: Which city, do you think? Which one? Did they give you any indication which city when you thought it was Perth? They must have said that it wasn’t Perth?

S: No. I see one pointing northwards. But I don’t know. I don’t remember seeing that before.

J: Did they tell you why they want to destroy the city? What do they say?

S: Something about...I don’t know. I don’t know why I was arguing about some people being good. Something about badness or evil probably.

J: Too much evil in this city?

S: Yes.

J: Just one single city.

S: Yes. It must have been, I thought they meant my home, Perth. No. I don’t think they were really. Some city anyway.

J: What happened then?

S: I’m just having this picture of a fire. They seem... one’s sitting back thinking. I don’t know. I can't remember when all this was. When I had that conversation.

J: Do you remember how you leave the ship? Is there any memory of that? Are you there? Can you see yourself leaving the ship?

S: There’s another one with me. I remember I must have gone up with one.

J: A Blue?

S: Yes.

J: Is the Blue with you now, isn’t it? Is he going to take you home again?

S: Yes.

J: How is he taking you home?

S: I don’t know. He's just standing there. It’s like a white light all around us. I see a chute. I don’t know why I’m saying that. On one side of the room that’s a chute that goes down at an angle from the room...it doesn’t connect...I’m trying to think how...the next think I know I’m almost on the ground, in a sort of like a soft jump onto the ground.

J: And when you come back, where are you? Where is the ground? What place are you in?

S: It’s sort of strange. This is one thing I couldn’t work out. I'm a few houses away on the corner from where I was before. It just doesn’t seem right. I should be down in front of the house.

J: I want you to go to another incident now. You woke up one night and there was somebody chiselling at the wall of your bedroom.

S: Yes. That was strange. I just felt really flushed and prickly and I got out of bed.

J: I wan  you to be there now. You’re feeling hot and prickly.

S: There’s something there, I can hear it chiselling.

J: What time do you think it is?

S: Oh midnight or eleven. I see the number eleven.

J: Have you been in bed for long?

S: A couple of hours at east, if it was eleven.

J: Where is Mike?

S: He’s not there. This is long before I met Mike.

J: Is this in your parents’ house?

S: Yes.

J: Is anybody sleeping in the bedroom with you?

S: I think my sister.

J: Your sister Carol?

S: Yes.

J: And she doesn’t wake up?

S: No. And she doesn’t seem to hear it.

J: How old are you?

S: I’m still about eighteen.

J: So what do you do when you wake up?

S: I got to the window and I’m creeping to try to go so quietly. I look out between the venetian blinds in the frame of the window. I look out and there's one opposite the window, but behind the other two, at the back. And then there’s two at the back. They look very odd.

J: Describe them clearly. You can see them very clearly.

S: They’re really tall and seem to be very dark green with large eyes. You can't tell when they’re looking forward. Their eyes go right round to the side. They also look as if they’re looking at you, their eyes are so black.

J: Big eyes, right? Like prey?

S: Mmm.

J: Not like predators?

S: No.

S: They’re sort of looking at the wall. I can sort of tell by the way they’re working that they're looking at the wall.

J: Describe their heads?

S: Very funny heads. Sort of elongated at the back. Whereas ours are round, theirs are quite longish and rounded.

[End of session]

COPYRIGHT (C) 2010 J D FRODSHAM