The Stella Sessions - Part III

The Stella Sessions

16 January 1990

J: Now let’s see. It’s 1980 and you see a red cigar shaped object. Or is it a cigar shaped object with red lights?

S: No. It was all red.

J: Where are you now? You’re back in 1980, you’re nineteen years old. There it is in front of you. Where are you?

S: We’re in a street.

J: How many people are in the street?

S: There’s Mathew and his friend, Megan and myself.

J: Who’s Mathew?

S: Megan’s boyfriend at that time.

J: You’re in the street. Is this in Nollamara?

S: Yes.

J: What time is it?

S: About 9.30. I think.

J: And you see this red object. If it’s dark, how do you know it’s red?

S: It’s night time but the object’s glowing in the night sky.

J: It’s glowing red?

S: Yes. Very red.

J: Who sees it first?

S: Oh, the neighbourhood kids saw it first, and then I came outside, when Megan asked me to come outside.

J: Now go right back, right back to that time. It’s 1980 now, you’re nineteen years old and the neighbourhood children have seen this object and you’ve come outside.

S: They’ve been watching it for a while.

J: Where are you now?

S: I’m back in my street.

J: Can you still see the object?

S: Yes.

J: How high up is it do you think?

S: It’s not very high. It’s sort of low, lowish.

J: Is is moving?

S: It moves and then it stops and moves again a bit and then stops.

J: There’re lots of people watching it?

S: Yes.

J: It is very big? Does it look large?

S: It’s hard to tell. It’s not large. It’s hard to tell just by the light. [Tenses visibly].

J: Just relax. [calms her]. What’s happening now?

S: Well, Peter and Justin are telling me about it. Megan and Mathew are there too. They’re saying it’s a helicopter. [unintelligible].

J: And what are you saying?

S: I’m saying it could be a helicopter but there’s no noise. It seems to be close enough.........It’s lights are different. It’s not like the small red light of a helicopter.

S: Are all the lights red?

S: Just one big light.

J: So a lot of people are looking at this now? What’s happening now?

S: Nothing. It’s just there. We’re all watching it. I don’t know how long we’ve been watching it for. But I grew tired of it. I wanted to go home.

J: You want to go home? How far are you from your house?

S: About four or five houses away. It’s on an L shaped bend, a small house.

J: What’s happening now?

S: I’m walking away to go home and Megan reminds me or tells me she wants me to walk with her to Mathew’s house. She wants me to take Mathew home.

J: What’s happening now?

S: I don’t really want to do it. But she’s just about dragging me to do it. She’s half fooling around. So I agree.

J: So you agree? What happens now?

S: So we go in and tell her mother and we decide to walk because it’s such a nice night. The air is so crisp. So we start walking down the lane way and across Morley Drive and down Douglas Avenue. And all the time it’s there, just there. We’ve reached Mathew’s place, and when we stop it starts to move from our right side or front right around in front of us, to our left side. Megan and I are mucking around and we decide to stir, and one of us lets out a high-pitched scream and it seemed to jolt suddenly. It seems to jerk a bit.

J: When you screamed?

S: Yes. Like it heard it. So I thought it must have been a bit closer than it appeared to be. It seemed to be miles away. We started teasing it. We’re telling them to come with with it. They’re cowards for not coming down if they’re something different. [Long pause]. So funny for suddenly it seems to jump forward. It’s like it’s moved forward or I’ve moved up there. I’m looking through the window.

J: What happens now?

S: There’s one there. Just one at the window, with men behind him. It’s really well lit through the window.

J: Describe the man you see, the entity you see.

S: It’s tall or slim. Not a clear picture.

J: Is he human?

S: Yes. Longish black hair, shoulder length or just past the shoulders. I’ve nicknamed him Tutankhamen. He looks Egyptian. He looks like a Pharaoh. He’s got the high arched black eyebrows, black eyes.

J:  Has he got a Pharaoh’s headdress?

S:No. Not then.

J: What’s he wearing?

S: What I’m seeing is he’s not wearing anything on top. I can only see from the chest up. It’s not a very clear picture.

J: What happens now? S: Now he’s got the headdress on. It’s got brilliant colours, it’s so gold.

S: Describe the headdress.

S: I can’t tell. It’s blue and gold stripes. The stripes go out sideways, alongside the headdress, beside the blue, navy blue or black, is gold metal.

J: Like a crown?

S: Just like a Pharaoh’s headdress exactly. It really is beautiful.

J: And what happens now?

S: He’s just staring at us. There’s one or two Blues in the background. It’s well lit. The short one comes up and stands beside him. He’s saying something to the Pharaoh [unintelligible] whoever he is. The Pharaoh turns to his side to face the guy and gives him a nod. The guy goes off into the background.

J: Is the Blue wearing his usual blue uniform? Is he smaller than the Pharaoh?

S: Much smaller. He only comes up to about there at the shoulders. Megan is saying something like ‘They’re coming down.’

J: Can Megan see them as clearly as you?

S: Yes. She seems to be. She must be. She’s saying ‘They’re coming down.’

J: It’s just the two of you then?

S: Yes. I don’t know where Mathew is. He’s gone inside.

J: Are there houses nearby?

S: We're right outside Mathews house.

J: They’re coming down. What happens now?

S: Its right down low, so low.

J: And you can see very clearly?

S: Yes. It’s very dark. It’s hard to tell. It’s almost like the object itself was painted black. It’s hard to see. There’s a beam of light. Something falls down the beam of light. I thought I saw one or two green things and then a blue one. They’ve gone behind a tree and I want to go around the other side of the tree to see what’s there.

J: Do you go?

S: No Megan said not to. She said not to go, it's dangerous. So I don’t go.

J: What happens now?

S: It's  like another one behind us.

J: Another craft behind you?

S: A very, very small one. What I'm seeing now is like a tiny doorway in it. It's  shaped like that, [gestures to indicate shape] the doorway goes with the shape as well.

J: In the big craft?

S: No, in the small one behind us. What I’m seeing now is one of them leaning out, saying is it safe or to come down.

J: He’s asking you if it’s safe?

S: Yes. They don’t seem to think it’s safe.

J: What do you think? Is it safe? Is it safe for them to come down?

S: Yes. They're  saying that they don’t want to catch any disease.

J: Any disease? What disease are they talking about, do you know?

S: I’m trying to hear what they’re saying.

J: Can Megan hear them too?

S: I think so. She’s not saying anything and also at the same time there’s light , misty figures. They're  sort of, they’re not solid, they're there but they’re not solid. You can see through them.

J: What are these misty figures?

S: They’re all around us on the road.

J: They’re around you on the road?

S: Yes. There must be a dozen of them. There’re so many. It’s like they’re getting solid.

J: What’s going on now?

S: They’re getting solid. They're  not allowing me to touch them while they're  getting solid.

J: How do you know they’re not allowing you to touch them? Did they tell you?

S: I don’t know. I think the one in the open doorway above is saying not to touch, and also I feel it. I feel that we shouldn’t touch as it might disturb their solidness or something.

J: What now?

S: They’re all solid.

J: What do they look like?

S: They’re all in pale blue uniforms.

J: Do you think they’ve been beamed down?

S: It’s hard to say because the craft above seems too small to be beaming them. Maybe they’re being beamed from the larger one up above.

J: So now there’s a lot of Blues all over the place?

S: Yes.

J: Do they all look alike?

S: They all have slight differences in their faces. They’re all olive skinned with black hair and dark eyes. They’re all basically like that. Pale blue outfits. The black strips seem to vary too. It seems like a camouflage thing. Sometimes when they’re against a dark background, they’re hard to see. It's  hard to place them or to see exactly. Some have very black strips, and others don’t. Others have very few strips. 

J: Can you draw one of these Blues for me when you wake up?

S: Yes I could.

J: That would be nice. What’s happening now?

S: I just have to wait. I have to wait for the picture.

J: Yes. Just take your time.

S: They’re standing around, not doing much. One comes up and he’s looking at us.

J: Is he talking?

S: I can't tell. I don’t think so. Just looking and watching. He’s mainly focusing on Megan.

J: How is Megan reacting to this?

S: She’s not. She’s watching the craft up above her, I think.

J: She’s not really interested in the Blues?

S: No. No, she’s not even watching them.

J: That’s strange isn’t it? Can she see them, or can any of you see them?

S: I don’t know. I think she commented on them. She saw them at the start but now her eyes are just on the craft up above.

J: Yes. But you’re watching the Blues aren’t you? How do you feel?

S: I know who they are.

J: How do you know that?

S: I've seen them before.

J: Yes. They're  old friends?

S:Yes. Sort of.

J: Old acquaintances anyway? Like ‘auld lang syne?’

S: Yes. It’s strange. It makes me a bit nervous. I don’t know what happened next. I can't get the picture. [very tense].

J: You’re very safe, you’re  very secure. [calms her].

S: I remember feeling, I don’t know when I felt it, but Megan felt the same. I remember feeling a hotness on my head. It seemed to move down slowly, the heat, it seemed to move down slowly, slowly, slowly.

J: Do you feel the heat moving down slowly now?

S: No. It just makes feel very weak and very tired. I’m now seeing a torch beam. I’m running to avoid the torch beam. Like a beam coming from above, like a spotlight. This was prior to the smaller craft and most figures.

J: What colour is it?

S: White. The beam is white. Very bright white.

J: Is it shining on you?

S: No. I’m avoiding it. Dodging it.

J: What about Megan?

S: I can't see her. I don’t know where she is.

J: Megan’s gone?

S: I think she’s in one spotlight. I’m not sure. She’s not there. I don’t know where she is.

J: Now what’s happening?

S: I’m growing tired so I let the light go on me. It’s very bright. [tenses again]

J: But the light can't harm you. You’re very safe, very secure. [calms her]. What’s happening now?

S: I don’t know. It’s still on................[unintelligible]. They’re trying to work out what they’re going to do next. I’m a bit concerned being in a beam. ........[unintelligible]. Are they going to shoot me or what? [agitates]

J: They wouldn’t do that.

S: No they wouldn’t.

J: They’re very kind to you.

S: Yes, they are. There’s a lot of wind. I can see my hair moving about like there a strong wind. I can see myself in the craft and the door’s sort of closing up underneath it.

J: Now you’re in the craft? As the beam taken you into the craft?

S: I don’t know. I don’t know whether it’s just a light beam or there’s more to it.

J: But you’re in the craft?

S: Yes.

J: In the little craft or in the big one?

S: In the bigger one. I didn’t even know there was a little one around till I looked behind.

J: Yes. Now you’re in the big craft?

S: Yes.

J: Can you tell me what it’s like?

S: It's quite a big room with a bench curving round to my right and there’s a wall to my left and a doorway in front.

J: What’s the light in there?

S: Quite bright. Just a normal room lighting.

J: Can you see where the lights are?

S: No.

J: Is the air cold or warm?

S: In between. Coolish.

J: Are you happy to be there?

S: I don’t know. I’m getting a picture of me sitting there but I also feel quite happy to be there. I think I said something like ‘Yee-hah’ when I went up, when I arrived there, when I saw where I was.

J: What do you think that means?

S: I said it as an expression of excitement. I think the Pharaoh might have said ‘Yee-hah, eh?’. He sort of copied what I said like a question.

J: He's speaking to you?

S: Yes, like he’s talking.

J: Is he friendly?

S: He seemed to be dubious at first but he’s quite pleasant, he’s friendly.

J: Can he speak English to you?

S: Yes.

J: They have no problem with languages, these people?

S: They complained about my talking, said I talked too fast. They talk slower, like Americans, they have the inflexion on the ‘r’.

J: Do they have deep voices?

S: It’s a bit deeper, not terribly deep, a bit deep.

J: Can you see Megan?

S: She was with me. She’s sort of going round a corner in the doorway. I don’t want to go so I stayed and sat there.

J: On a chair?

S: No, on the floor. I was feeling very tied. I wasn’t well. I’d had a virus for a while. I sat there on the floor, just sitting there, waiting for her to come back.

J: What’s the floor like? Is it hard, carpet?

S: It’s hard.

J: Not the best comfortable place to sit?

S: No.

J: Especially if you’re tired.

S: It doesn’t feel uncomfortable. I think I’m too tired to bother. I remember feeling it, hitting it. And as I was hitting it I could also see I was hitting the curb on the road. And they said we must stop her doing that.

J: As you hit the floor of the craft, you were also hitting the curb on the road?

S: Yes. I don’t think they wanted me to be on the road. They wanted me to be there.

J: Are you back in there craft now?

S: Yes. There are quite a few [unintelligible] with the main one. One of the Pharaoh type ones.

J: How many Pharaohs are there now?

S: There’s the one that’s looking out the window. He’s still there at the bench. The one in charge looks like him, but it’s him too. They’re all wearing pale blue.

J: Who’s wearing pale blue? The Pharaohs?

S: Yes, even the Pharaohs.

J: And the one who is bare to the waist, has he put on pale blue now?

S: Yes. He’s all covered. I don’t know why I thought his chest was bare.

J: How he’s wearing pale blue too? Do they look just like the Blues, but taller?

S: Yes. Very, very similar.

J: Who’s in charge? Who’s in command? The Egyptians or the Blues?

S: I’d say more the Egyptians [unintelligible]. It’s getting confusing. I’d say more the Egyptians. The taller ones.

[End of session].

COPYRIGHT (C) 2010 J D FRODSHAM

The Stella Sessions - Part II

The Stella Sessions

9 January 1990 – Second Session

J: Where are you now?

S: I’m in the room with J.S. on the couch with the torch light on him.

J: Is he asleep? What are you doing?

S: I seem to be standing at the head of the table, a bit away from it.

J: Who else is there in the room with you?

S: There’s someone on my right. I can see him from the shoulder down.

J: Look at his face. Try hard to see his face. What can you see?

S: I can’t see anything.

J: Move on from that room now. What happens after that?

S: I think they’re saying it’s my turn and I don’t want to go on the table. I’m refusing.

J: Then what happens?

S: I’m just getting very tired.

J: What happens then?

S: I seem to be drifting or floating. I can’t really see anyone putting me on the table or placing me on the table.

J: You’re suddenly tired and then you’re floating. Are you on the table now?

S: I don’t know. I’m just lying there. All I can see is my feet. Just lying there.

J: Is there a light?

S: A very dull light. It’s very dimly lit.

J: Is there anybody round the table with you?

S: It looks like they are there, but I can’t see them very clearly. There’s one at the foot of the table, and he has a small table next to him.

J: Are they Blues or Grays?

S: Blues. He’s wearing pale blue. They’re all blue.

J: Are you lying on the table itself, or floating above it?

S: I’m lying on it.

J: Is it cold or hot?

S: Neither. I can’t feel. [Tensed and becomes upset].

J: Just relax. [Proceeds to calm her].

S: There’s two to the right of me standing next to the table. There’s two there and one at the foot of the table.

J: All Blues?

S: All Blues.

J: Can you see any black stripes on their uniforms?

S: Yes, just the normal or usual black stripes.

J: Are they saying anything to you?

S: No.

J: Can you smell anything?

S: Just a slight ammonia smell. Very, very slight.

J: Now what’s happening?

S: I think one’s putting his hand on my forehead. That one at the foot of the table has turned to the small table beside him and he’s doing something and placing an object at my feet. There’s space beyond the table at my feet. He’s placing something there.

J: Do you have your shoes on?

S: No.

J: Are you dressed?

S: Dressed.

J: Except for your shoes?

S: Yes.

J: What happens now? Relax, relax, you’re in control now. What do you see?

S: Just the one at the foot of the table.

J: What’s he doing?

S: He still seems to be mucking around with something at the foot of the table. He’s turning sideways to his left side to me. He seems very interested in what he is doing at the foot of the table.

J: What’s he got in his hand?

S: It looks like a panel that is lit by a torchlight.

J: It’s quite dark is it?

S: Yes. It’s going dark again. Another table on the other side of him. Another raised like a machine. It’s like a mini computer or something on the other side of the table.

J: Just describe what you see.

S: A box-shaped thing with a curved top and underneath the curve there’s like a screen.

J: Anything else?

S: No. It’s bright. Something white, big and white. What come to my mind is like a cricket match, like in a cricket match their all in white.

J: Big and white as on a screen?

S: Yes. It’s funny. [laughs].

J: Are you watching the screen?

S: No. I’m looking at it but I don’t think I can really see what’s on it.

J: What now?

S: He’s tapping something into the machine. Buttons – round, tiny [unintelligible] flattish buttons.

J: And now, what’s happening?

S: He’s looking at me and now back at the screen. That’s all he seems to be doing.

J: Go ahead a little further in time, two or three minutes perhaps in time, move forward a few minutes. Relax, relax. Completely seeing everything clearly. You’re eighteen years old, you’re lying on this table and you’ve moved forward a few minutes in time. What’s happening now?

S: It’s still very dark. My skirt is being pulled down. Just around my navel, just down slightly, and my top is being pulled up slightly, and the light is shining on that. It’s funny because I feel as if I’m floating up and looking down on the floor.

J: What are they doing now?

S: There’s a couple of them on either side, with a needle or something. [tenses visibly].

J: Just relax, relax. [calms her]. What’s happening now?

S: It’s a funny looking thing. It’s very thick. It’s like a very think needle. It just doesn’t seem to be a needle. I can’t tell whether he is inserting anything or if he’s just resting there. It’s very narrow but then there’s a part attached to it, above it, that’s a lot thicker, on top.

J: When you wake up, I want you to draw this needle. Can you do that for me? Is the needle in you now?

S: No, they’re withdrawing it.

J: They’ve put the needle in already?

S: Yes.

J: Where did they put it?

S: In my navel.

J: Right into the navel?

S: Yes. And at an upwards angle, at that angle. [gestures, indicating about a 45 degree angle]. They’re withdrawing it now and there’s a fine needle at the end of it. It’s a bit like a gun, I suppose, with a needle at the end of it.

J: What’s happening now?

S: Now it’s sort of the end of it is curving up. It seems the end of it is curved.

J: The needle is curved?

S: There’s the needle, then there’s the thicker bit and another thicker bit and then it curves out.

J: When you wake up, I would like you to draw this for me. Can you see it very clearly.

S:  Sort of. I cant see how they’re holding it. It seems to be like a gun. [agitates].

J: Just relax, [calms her]. Now move forward a minute or so in time. What do you see now?

S: They’ve moved away.

J: And where are you?

S: I’m still lying on the table.

J: How are you feeling?

S: I’m feeling O.K. I’m not really feeling anything.

J: Move forward a few minutes more. What’s happening now?

S: Someone’s saying it’s all over. It’s someone I cant see to my right who’s saying it’s all over and I can get up now.

J: Do you get up?

S: I sit up on the table.

J: What happens now?

S: My legs are down and I’ve slid off the table. [Agitated].

J: Just relax. [Calms her].

S: There’s some instruments on that table next to mine, long shining gray, similar to the needle that I remember, or instrument. The table is circular, very shiny, metallic, almost like glass, it’s so shiny. On the end there’s a white cloth underneath.

J: A white cloth?

S: Yes. That’s on the right hand side which is shiny, highly polished.

J: You can see this very clearly.

S: There’s a little rail around the edge of the table, about an inch high above the surface of the table. It’s a solid table. There seems to be drawers underneath it.

J: Is it made of metal?

S: It seems to be? It’s a bit whiter.

J: What are you doing now?

S: I’m standing up and walking away. They’re leading me away. There’s two on either side of me.

J: Two on either side?

S: Two on either side. And as I’m walking away I’m looking at the table. The Blue I saw at the foot of the table is there standing over the instrument. He seems to be looking down at them or something as I’m walking away.

J: Are they all Blues?

S: Yes.

J: And where are they taking you now?

S: They’re taking me towards the door. To where the car is on the other side.

J: And do you go back into the car?

S: I’m walking towards the doorway towards the right.

J: What can you see?

S: I can see the car’s there. I can see the top of it, part of the car. It’s very cool in the room. I feel very cool now.

J: Not cold, just cool?

S: No, just cool, there’s a breeze, like a draft.

J: Just keep on walking. Where are you going now?

S: The one next to me on my left is saying something as I’m going towards the door.

J: Can you hear what he’s saying?

S: No. He’s saying something.

J: Is he speaking to you?

S: Yes. And the other perhaps.

J: Is he moving his lips when he speaks or is he speaking in your head?

S: He seems to be moving his lips.

J: Is he speaking English?

S: Yes. But I cant hear what he’s saying. All I can see is he’s moving is mouth like he’s talking. He may be saying, ‘Remember what we said.’

J: Can you remember anything they said to you this whole time?

S: The first thing they said when I was up on the platform before we went in the large room, was I would remember all this but it would be from a distance, from up high. And when I was in the room they were saying, well they seemed to be saying, I don’t know, if they actually said it, but they were saying ‘to stay away.’

J: To stay away from what, from somebody or something, or somewhere? Stay away they said?

S: There’re dials behind me. I don’t know if I’m standing too close.

J: Too close to the dials?

S: I didn’t realise the dials were there when I went through the doorway. A yellow and red dial.

J: Where were they? In the room?

S: In the room. On the bench against the wall to the right of the doorway into the room.

J: In the room where the table was?

S: Yes.

J: Can you see those dials?

S: They’re big fat dials with serrated edges, must be some sort of machine. Just dials on a machine in the bench.

J: They told you to stay away from the dials before they put you on the table?

S: Yes.

J: Did they say anything else to you?

S: They’re saying they want me on the table, that it’s my turn to go on the table.

J: Do they say anything to you while you’re on the table?

S: There’re two tables. And I go on the other one.

J: J.S. is on the other one?

S: Yes.

J: Is he asleep or awake?

S: He’s asleep I think. I cant really see him. It’s quite a distance away.

J: But you’re awake aren’t you?

S: Just. I’m awake but sleepy. Very sleepy. I don’t remember them saying much. I just fell asleep as soon as I got on the table. I remember not wanting to, not wanting to get on the table or do anything.

J: Do you remember the needle going in or just the needle coming out?

S: Just coming out.

J: Was there any pain?

S: No.

J: No pain?

S: I cant recall any at the moment. If there was, it was bearable.

J: Let’s go back to where you’re walking towards the door. There’s two on either side. You can see the car. Are you getting into the car yet?

S: I’m walking towards it.

J: Now here’s the car. Is J.S. in the car already? Or are you in the car first?

S: I don’t really know. I can see a figure in the car.

J: Do you think that’s J.S.?

S: I don’t know. It would be. I moved towards the car.

J: Now what happens?

S: I don’t recall steps or anything.

J: Just relax, relax.

S: Now I can see plainly. He’s not there.

J: Now you’re in the car.

S: Yes.

J: By yourself. What happens now?

S: He’s coming in now.

J: J.S. is coming in now. Is he awake or is he asleep?

S: He’s awake.

J: They’ve put him in the driver’s seat?

S: He’s getting in there, I think, on his own.

J: On his own? And what happens now? Describe your surroundings. What do you see?

S: We’re just there. What I’m seeing now is like the car’s just floating on air. I don’t remember anything like this.

J: The car’s floating on air?

S: it’s like a hatch that’s opened underneath the car and it’s just there above the opening. Everything’s dark. It’s like seeing the sky again. I’m seeing the night sky.

J: How do you feel?

S: I remember going up I was terrified. I was so scared I felt so hot and so cold and prickly. I felt that I’d never come back again.

J: But now how’d you feel?

S: Tired. Very tired.

J: Are you frightened?

S: No.

J: Are you floating down now? What happens next?

S: We’re on the road.

J: Is the car moving?

S: No. It’s stopped.

J: Do you know where you are?

S: I think we’re in the exact place that we were before.

J: And what can you see around you?

S: Just the bushes, lighted by a light. I cant tell whether its from the beam of the car. No, it cant be our beam. Everything is lit.

J: Everything is lighted up around you?

S: Yes.

J: Brightly?

S: Yes. Not quite like daylight. But bright enough.

J: Quite close?

S: There’s a huge light on our right up above.

J: And what happens now?

S: It’s there, and then it foes. It’s slowly going. I cant see it now because the roof of the car is in the way.

J: What’s happening now? Now the light is gone and you’re in the car with J.S. What happens now?

S: The car starts. I think J.S. must have started the car. The lights are back on and we’re driving. The lights are back on and we're driving.

J: And what do you say to J.S.? And what does J.S. say to you?

S: He’s saying something but the car hasn’t started yet. I think we're moving slowly. Then the lights come one.

J: And what happens now?

S: We’re just driving. I can't recall any conversation. I think we both feel really, really, relieved.

J: You don’t want to talk about it?

S: No.

J: Does J.S. take you home?

S: Yes.

J: What do you find when you get home? Anything at all unusual?

S: I can see my skirt and there’s a bit of blood on it.

J: How much blood on your skirt?

S: About that much. [Gestures, indicating a patch of about four inches in diameter].

J: In the front?

S: Yes. Just at the top near the waistband.

J: Any other sign on your body? Any bleeding on your body?

S: No. I don’t think so. No.

J: Any soreness?

S: I remember my stomach feeling sore for a while, like an aching muscle. The next day I think. Every now and then, for a couple of days I felt sore.

J: Did you want to report what had happened to anybody?

S: No.

J: You didn’t want to tell anybody?

S: No.

J: Why was this?

S: I don’t know.

J: Why did you keep your skirt without washing it?

S: Because I thought if someone did come, it would be proof.

J: Did you think anybody would come, as you hadn’t told anybody?

J: Did you talk to Jeremy about it then?

S: No.

J: Did you talk to Jeremy about it later? Ring him up or anything to discuss it?

S: Yes. I think he said he hadn’t told anyone. [Agitates].

J: Just relax, relax. [Calms her].

S: I don’t know why we didn’t tell anyone. I just don’t know. I think I was too scared to tell anyone.

J: Did anything else happen after that that was unusual, out of the ordinary? Did anybody come to the house?

S: No.

J: I want you to tell me about the time when somebody did come to the house. When the three men dressed in black came to the house.

S: That was much earlier.

J: You were quite young then were you?

S: Yes.

J: Can you describe the men in black? I want you to go back in time. How old are you now?

S: I think I was fourteen.

J: You’re fourteen now. It’s around 1974 or 1975.

S: 1974 I think.

J: You’re fourteen and these men come to the house?

S: It must have been 1974.

J: How many are there? I want you to see them, look at them.

S: They’re three or four. Three at the door and one behind.

J: What are they wearing?

S: Very dark suits. All in dark colours.

J: How big are the men?

S: They’re very big. Very tall.

J: Do they have hats on?

S: Yes. They have hats like old men wear. But they’re not old.

J: Bowler hats? What are the suits like? Can you describe their suits?

S: Dark colours. Dark brown.

J: Are they talking to somebody at the door?

S: They’re talking to Dad.

J: Do you know what their saying? Where are you?

S: I’m a bit further back from Dad, in the middle of the lounge room. I’m walking up to stand beside him.

J: You’re looking at the men now. Can you describe the men’s faces?

S: I can see one. He has almost like a pumpkin face. It’s very pale and pudgy. Very roundish sort of face. Very much like the one that came into the office at work. They’re all like that, I think. Maybe there's one that looks normal like us. Older.

J: Do they come into the house?

S: No. They’re just standing at the doorway.

J: Look at their mouths. Do you see anything unusual about their mouths? Look at their mouths.

S: One’s gone quite ugly. He’s starting to look like a pumpkin. Nothing too different. Just normal mouths. They’ve got very pale lips. Almost blue. That’s what I’m seeing anyway. I don’t remember really noticing much about their mouths.

J: Is there anything else you want to tell me about these men? Are you frightened of them?

S: Yes.

J: I’m going to put my hand on your forehead. And when I put my hand on your forehead you’re going to hear something the men are saying to your father. What are the men saying?

S: They’re talking very earnestly. It’s a very serious conversation.

J: What are they saying?

S: They’re saying not to say a thing.

J: Not to say a thing?

S: Yes. That they could make anything happen.

J: Is your father frightened?

S: He’s frightened but he’s standing his ground. That’s what he’s saying. He has every right. If he wants to he will. If he doesn’t he won’t.

J: Do you know what he’s referring to?

S: No. I’ve got no idea.

J: He’s never told you?

S: No.

J: The men are walking away now. How do they walk?

S: Like they push back with their legs. Like they’re very strong legs.

J: A strange walk?

S: Not unusually strange. No. Just very strong.

J: Does your father comment on them at all? Does he say anything?

S: No. He’s not saying anything as they walk to the car.

J: What sort of car? Describe the car. You see it very clearly. You’re fourteen years old, you can see the car very clearly.

S: A very old car. It’s a black, shiny 50’s car, I think.

J: It’s an old fashioned shape?

S: Yes. Very old fashioned.

[End of session].

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